First Les Paul

[d1m1]

once again to stay on the topic.
post 2007 standard faded models are chambered, so they re weight-wise on the light side of les pauls. the buildquality is awesome. you can choose between 50´s and 60´s neck. the feel and tone is closer to an 50´s lp since the thin hand rubbed finish allows the body to swing and opens the tone up. and you feel the wood which is particulary on the neck advantageous cause its not sticky like on gloss finished ones. imo a great option for much less than 2.5K which is your budget. the only thing is that they re discontinued so you have to look around for a used one if you dont mind.

 

[Droog]

once again to stay on the topic.
post 2007 standard faded models are chambered, so they re weight-wise on the light side of les pauls. the buildquality is awesome. you can choose between 50´s and 60´s neck. the feel and tone is closer to an 50´s lp since the thin hand rubbed finish allows the body to swing and opens the tone up. and you feel the wood which is particulary on the neck advantageous cause its not sticky like on gloss finished ones. imo a great option for much less than 2.5K which is your budget. the only thing is that they re discontinued so you have to look around for a used one if you dont mind.

I never insulted you, I just said basically everything you said was wrong, and you're completely ignorant about what you're talking about.

To be a little clearer basically everything you're claiming is complete bullshit.

And as said above, maybe read the Les Paul 101 sticky.

 

[d1m1]

I never insulted you, I just said basically everything you said was wrong, and you're completely ignorant about what you're talking about.

To be a little clearer basically everything you're claiming is complete bullshit.

And as said above, maybe read the Les Paul 101 sticky.

this is what petron asked for:

Looking to buy a Les Paul,
My Budget is $2500 AUS

Some of my favourite guitarists include

Gary Moore
Jimmy Page
Slash
EVH

I have neck/back injuries so I don't wish to have a Les Paul that is too heavy but still has great tone. A

Any Suggestions?


and this is my advice which is 100% correct:

once again to stay on the topic.
post 2007 standard faded models are chambered, so they re weight-wise on the light side of les pauls. the buildquality is awesome. you can choose between 50´s and 60´s neck. the feel and tone is closer to an 50´s lp since the thin hand rubbed finish allows the body to swing and opens the tone up. and you feel the wood which is particulary on the neck advantageous cause its not sticky like on gloss finished ones. imo a great option for much less than 2.5K which is your budget. the only thing is that they re discontinued so you have to look around for a used one if you dont mind.



but you know i like your acting and your vocabulary. your mother did a great job

 

[Droog]

buy a used les paul standard faded post 2007. till 2007 they were solid, after 2007 routed/weight relieved.
i personally would go for an used R7 GT cause it has all the historc specs (long tenon etc) but they are solid and insofar heavier.

Completely wrong, they began as weight relieved guitars, then were later chambered. Never solid.

R7's aren't necessarily heavier then a Standard faded.

Corsa LCPG-P053, in Dark Amber Unburst. 8 lbs., 2 oz. (3.69 Kg.), '59 neck profile, with 1 Push-Pull pot for phase changing. The ultimate "Peter Green Mod" guitars!

Historic Featherweight Wildwood Spec 1957 Les Paul VOS | Historic Featherweight Wildwood Spec Les Paul | Gibson Custom Shop | Electrics | Wildwood Guitars

As you can see, 2 links, 1 a Standard faded, 1 an R7, the R7 is lighter. Weights are all over the map for either guitar.

faded standards were initially totally solid and not routed at all till 2007.

Again, bullshit, they started life as weight relieved guitars, then went chambered.

they are some of the best les pauls right after the ones from the custom shop and are sought after. some people say that gibson discontinued the faded line because they were concurrence to the historics.

More bullshit, really smelly stuff now.

the standard faded from 2005 to 2007 was an exception and was totally solid. from 2007 they were based on the traditional.

Still more bullshit, and they've never been based on the Traditional, they've been based on Standards, that's why they called them Standards, it's really not that complicated.

As an F.Y.I. since you never took forum advice and read the sticky, Traditionals have always been weight relieved, until this year.

the feel and tone is closer to an 50´s lp since the thin hand rubbed finish allows the body to swing and opens the tone up.

B.S.

And they didn't use some mystical nitro formula similar to the stuff Gibson was spraying in the 50's, it's the same nitro all the guitars get.

 

[d1m1]

Completely wrong, they began as weight relieved guitars, then were later chambered. Never solid.

R7's aren't necessarily heavier then a Standard faded.

Corsa LCPG-P053, in Dark Amber Unburst. 8 lbs., 2 oz. (3.69 Kg.), '59 neck profile, with 1 Push-Pull pot for phase changing. The ultimate "Peter Green Mod" guitars!

Historic Featherweight Wildwood Spec 1957 Les Paul VOS | Historic Featherweight Wildwood Spec Les Paul | Gibson Custom Shop | Electrics | Wildwood Guitars

As you can see, 2 links, 1 a Standard faded, 1 an R7, the R7 is lighter. Weights are all over the map for either guitar.



Again, bullshit, they started life as weight relieved guitars, then went chambered.



More bullshit, really smelly stuff now.



Still more bullshit, and they've never been based on the Traditional, they've been based on Standards, that's why they called them Standards, it's really not that complicated.

As an F.Y.I. since you never took forum advice and read the sticky, Traditionals have always been weight relieved, until this year.



B.S.

And they didn't use some mystical nitro formula similar to the stuff Gibson was spraying in the 50's, it's the same nitro all the guitars get.

i took the facts from the Gibson Les Paul 101 thread. and yes as i wrote the R7 are in generally heavier than post 2007 standard faded since the faded are chambered! except some exceptions like e.g. those two you picked to be a smartass(a Featherweight Wildwood Spec R7 which is just 0.1 lbs lighter LMAO )

my previous quote:
(R9/R0 8 lbs or less, R8 9 lbs or less, R7 9.6 lbs or less)

picture from Gibson Les Paul 101:

quote Gibson Les paul 101:
Chambering officially began for 2007 but the late 2006s are also chambered.

so its also right that the post 2007 standard faded are chambered. most of them are less than 8 lbs! and thats what petron asked for!


in almost all threads, all shops, all ebay items, is written that particulary the 2005-2006 standard faded were as an exception from all other usa lp´s, solid and not weight relieved. all of them could be of couse wrong because i never saw an official statemant e.g. from gibson about that early standard faded period. but you propably did right??
the point is that petron asked for a light les paul for less than 2.5K. and fact is that post 2007 faded ones are chambered and that for "not heavy"! the price is in the budged as well! thats the subject of the thread! and my advice is 100% right!


my previous quote:
from 2007 they were based on the traditional.

of course i mean standard!


my previous quote:
the feel and tone is closer to an 50´s lp since the thin hand rubbed finish allows the body to swing and opens the tone up. and you feel the wood which is particulary on the neck advantageous cause its not sticky like on gloss finished ones.

yep thats right, but i dont expect from an obviously uneducated to understand physics!


your quote:
And they didn't use some mystical nitro formula similar to the stuff Gibson was spraying in the 50's, it's the same nitro all the guitars get.

of course they used (almost) same nitro formula but you know, after a half century on most 50´s lp´s the finnish is more or less rubbed off and/or its weather cracked! the result tonally and the feel is same or similar as on the faded, or the aged ones.


and in terms of how good is a standard faded and how good is the tone, of course it is a matter of taste and this is subjective. and thats why you just dont have the right to insult the ones who have a different opinion! and if you think they are wrong, just post proofs in a kind way!
fact is that every one who playied a faded standard was impressed. you can read all reviews, threats, comments, watch youtube videos etc 99% of them are definite positiv. i own only historics but if i had to choose a non historic, i would totally go for a standard faded because they are to me simply the best "regular usa" lp´s i had in my hands. the tone, the build quality and of course the feel is just stunning! of course thats my personal opinion.


i´ll summarize your quotes:
bullshit. Don't post bullshit. everything you're claiming is complete bullshit. everything you said was wrong, bullshit. Again, bullshit. More bullshit, really smelly stuff now. Still more bullshit...

get a life!

people like you who start instantly to insult others for no reason and pollute the forum with their fecal vocabulary and acting should be banned.

 

[Droog]

"Bullshit (also bullcrap) is a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism BS. In British English, "bollocks" is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is commonly used in British English. It is a slang profanity term meaning "nonsense", especially in a rebuking response to communication or actions viewed as deceiving, misleading, disingenuous or false."

Most of your facts in this thread = bullshit.

Still never insulted you, just pointed out pretty much everything you claimed was "bullshit"

Not sure how I can be banned for pointing out a post is completely incorrect, and this is the factual information.

It's awesome just how stubborn and ignorant you are.

Actually, I think we should all go out and buy solid body Les Paul Standard faded guitars that have a hand rub finished and quite frankly are the closest thing to a burst you can get. The fact that they are priced lower then a regular Standard or Traditional is just highway robbery for the consumer, as spec wise they're pretty much what Gibson was doing in the 50's!

 

[Nicki]

used R0 or trad?

 

[d1m1]

"Bullshit (also bullcrap) is a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism BS. In British English, "bollocks" is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is commonly used in British English. It is a slang profanity term meaning "nonsense", especially in a rebuking response to communication or actions viewed as deceiving, misleading, disingenuous or false."

Most of your facts in this thread = bullshit.

Still never insulted you, just pointed out pretty much everything you claimed was "bullshit"

Not sure how I can be banned for pointing out a post is completely incorrect, and this is the factual information.

It's awesome just how stubborn and ignorant you are.

Actually, I think we should all go out and buy solid body Les Paul Standard faded guitars that have a hand rub finished and quite frankly are the closest thing to a burst you can get. The fact that they are priced lower then a regular Standard or Traditional is just highway robbery for the consumer, as spec wise they're pretty much what Gibson was doing in the 50's!

in oposit to you i proofed all facts i wrote except the thing with the solid body from 2005 to 2007 because there is no official info particulary about the faded ones. as i told, in most threads and shops etc is writen that its solid. but as i wrote it could be wrongl! i also didnt told that its the closest thing to a burst you can get. i wrote that the thin rubbed finish is closer to an 50 year old used finish of a burst in compare to a new high gloss finish of other usa lp´s. but you propably have bullshit in your eyes..
and because you wrote in an ironical way about the hand rubbed finish (as well bullshit) here you have that proof as well:

http://www.gibson.com/files/usa_pdfs/data_lp_faded.pdf

in the end the only one who is talking all the time bullshit because his head is full of bullshit is you!
thanks by the way for the wikipedia copy/paste expanation of your favorite word "bullshit". at least you know now the meaning of the word which characterize you to be honest i didnt knew that its not insulting and just a harmless synonym of "nonsense". we should start to use it at school, at university, at church, at hospitals etc
and now do us a favor and stop polluting the thread with your bullshit

 

[ARandall]

^Before 2006 Gibson claimed ALL of their guitars were solid bodies, whereas in fact they'd been drilled with 9 holes since 1983. This applies to all of the production line guitars, not the custom shop line.

Later on someone x-rayed some gibsons and realised the guitars Gibson had called 'solid' had these holes in them - Gibson then admitted this had started in '83. They also never publicised the switch to chambering initially either.

Anyhow back on topic, those faded standards are great guitars by the looks of things.